The Tangwall Campagin. Reagan said in 1980 that the state was not the solution but the problem. Would you say, in 2025, that the problem is still the government?
Kevin Roberts. This problem has become even more serious! The number of federal employees has practically doubled since the arrival of Reagan in power. Another way to calibrate it is to take the expenses of our federal government, which are an even more precise measurement tool: we currently have $ 36,000 billion in debt. We continue budget deficits, both under Republican and Democrats. And even if we are optimistic, we are only at the beginning of the dismantling of the State. As conservatives, we must therefore act on two fronts: reduce the size of the state, make it less expensive and less intrusive in the lives of citizens, but also, and incidentally, make sure to build healthier institutions within civil society.
“The primary objective is to dismantle the deep state”
In forty years, it is these institutions that have become the deep state?
It had already started at the time of the Vietnam War. It was largely linked to the Ministry of Defense and its lack of transparency. But today, the deep state exists almost everywhere: within the Department of State, the Ministry of Education … May God bless Donald Trump to have tackled this situation in arms! Each member of the Trump administration has the first objective of dismantling the deep state within their agencies. It will probably take a decade to eradicate it completely, but you have to start now. The objective is not its narrowing but its disappearance.
You have been in France for a few days … You talk a lot about “Restoration of American values”. If you could export only one of these values, without customs duties, in our country, which would you choose?
I am convinced that faith is essential to a healthy society. In the United States, we have proven that religious freedom is possible. Unfortunately, I see in France – a country that I like – the rotten fruits of hyperlaïcité …
“Hyperlaicity”it’s daring as an expression!
Hyperlaicity, that is to say the absence of membership in the Judeo-Christian roots of France … which will allow radical Muslims to impose Sharia law in France by the next generation. In the United States, we believe that it is better to accept to kiss faith, to respect everyone and to enjoy religious freedom.
In France, we think the opposite. That it is secularism that protects us from Sharia law. And besides, what is the biggest challenge to the identity of France? The wearing of the veil in class or an opening ceremony at the Olympic Games which parodies the Last Supper?
Both represent threats. However, I am more optimistic this year than I was in the days that followed the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games as to the resolution of this kind of wokism which was imposed on us, precisely thanks to the progress we have made in the United States. So, to answer your question, today, I am more worried by wearing hijab in schools which seems to have become a common practice in France.
“You should experience blue fear because you are on the verge of national suicide”
Some French conservatives talk about “Great replacement”. The left claims that it is only a theory. At home, in the United States, we are talking about “Border crisis”. Do the French and the Americans experience the same anxiety identity?
The left disputes this term because it does not know the real. These are long -term problems that must be solved everywhere in the West. Not only in France, but also in Great Britain, where I travel often. I don’t throw you the stone: we also have to sweep outside our door. You have explained for years that immigration was essential to constitute a workforce. It was to say to your local workforce that she was worth nothing, that she was useless. And the logical consequence of this, over the years and decades, is that a large part of the immigrant population said: “I don’t like France!” »» Worse, many of these migrants have a religious obligation not to love your country, which means that they actively undermine what was already undoubted: national identity. The United States is far from being a perfect country, but we are in much better in this regard, even with 20 million illegal immigrants …
And these Hispanics who have been at home for over twenty years and who still do not speak a word of English?
I’m not saying that our situation is great. I simply say that it is better, largely because we have a much lower percentage of immigrants who wish to impose sharia. You should experience blue fear because you are on the verge of national suicide. This is the result of these generations of French leaders, cowardly on the political level, who did not want to revitalize national identity and tackle the problem of mass immigration.
In foreign policy, Trump is the opposite of what George W. Bush was. Have you become pro-chirac among the Republicans?
As a convaled neoconservative, which undoubtedly supported the intervention of the United States in Iraq, and which probably joked on your country, I confess to my French brothers and sisters: you were right. And on this point, President Trump looks a lot like Chirac. We are not here to create a greater disorder in the world. The conservative movement has moved away from neoconservative interventionism which was a bitter failure for the Iraqi people as for the United States. The right position is that that Trump and Vance have defined, namely a more moderate foreign policy. But it is essential that our allies, including France, understand that we want to have the most powerful and deadliest army in our history. Trump as Vance just want to use it more selectively.
How do you see America in January 2029?
It will be a much better place, with a much larger part of inhabitants believing in the reality of the American dream. If I insist on this, it is because the studies of institutes such as Pew or Gallup show that Americans believe it again. It’s not just the polls. I travel the country, I speak to many compatriots: people have found hope. Trump is on the right track to keep his promises. Our country will remain strong internationally, but above all, it will have really dealt with its fellow citizens, an area in which we were not doing much.
In your book, Take back Washington to save Americayou suggest that the Reagan era has had material successes but that it has neglected deeper questions, of spiritual and cultural. In 2029, conversely, the average American may be more concerned with his energy bill or the price of eggs than by wokism and immigration?
Reagan had grown up in a disadvantaged environment. He knew the social and cultural issues that Trump highlights. What has changed is that these problems have become even deeper. To return to your remark, the average American votes on the two subjects. In 2024, the two concerns were the economy and immigration. Obviously, you have to be able to pay your races. But it emerges from the conclusions of discussion groups that we have organized through the United States that everyone rejects this system where the elites of the East and West coasts live according to rules different from those imposed on the rest of America. Regardless of social origin or political opinions: all, without exception, replied that the American dream had been stolen from them. Some expressed it in economic terms: “I was taken my job!” »» Others, especially black men, said that the American dream had been torn from their families because the school district now authorizes boys to compete against their daughter in sports competitions.
“The problems of America are also social and cultural”
Do you already have a preference for a candidate in 2028?
We cannot financially support this or that candidate given our status as a non -profit organization. We favor candidates who will understand that America’s problems are not only economic, but also social and cultural. And the good candidate in 2028 and 2032 will be the one who will speak about it in a political way political, but who will also give the Americans the hope that we will be able to remedy it. It will not be someone belonging to the old neoconservative faction. This faction, even well funded, even supported by K Street (rue des Lobbies in Washington, editor’s note), will not win. The Americans abandoned her. Main Street governs now.
